byl najarany... dlatego wyskoczył... może wkęcił sobie, że jest motylkiem... ehhhhhhh... taka strata !!

Wedlug mnie to Magik mial swoj wlasny swiat .. mysle ze jeszcze wiele zeczy sie dowiemy o jego zyciu z tekstow ..

RAh (Guest) nie miał problemy poprostu kłócił się o zwrotki z Rahimem i Dabem przeczytaj sobie "Biografia Magika"

The modern wichtcraft movement was not started by Gardner, but popularised by him, according to historian Philip Heselton.Additionally, there isn't any conclusive evidence that Gardner ever was a Mason in a regular Lodge, even though the biographer Idries Shah, writing as Jack Bracelin, in Gerald Gardner, Witch lists Gardner as having taken the degrees in Sphinx Lodge #113 Irish Constitution, in Colombo Ceylon (now Sri Lanka).I have inquired of the Lodge Secretary of Sphinx Lodge #107 (not 113) IC, in Colombo, and received the following response:Unfortunately most of our old records are lost. The only authentic item that we have that dates back to our inception is a members registration book which has all the members records since inception, I went through this record book but could not find a Gerald Gardner during the period you have mentioned. Even checking ten years previous and forward this name was not mentioned.There were three Irish Lodges during that period:Sphinx Lodge 107 IC founded 1861Leinster Lodge 115 IC founded 1874Dimbula Lodge 298 IC founded 1874Sphinx and Leinster had their meeting in Colombo. Dimbula Lodge met in the hill country among the tea plantations. At that time almost a days travelling distance from Colombo.The web page you refer to mentions that he was raised at Sphinx. It is possible that he was a member of another lodge but was raised at Sphinx. This practice seems to have been very common in those days as in our member's registry there are a few times when Sphinx members had been passed or raised at a another lodge.There was only one Sphinx Lodge in Sri Lanka (Ceylon then) and our number is 107 IC. Sphinx is the oldest lodge in Sri Lanka which has a unbroken record of continuity. The Oldest lodge is St John's Lodge of Colombo EC (founded 193 but it has had periods of abeyance during its early times.Other English constitution lodges at that time were St George Lodge 2170 EC founded 1886Adam's Peak Lodge 2656 EC founded 1897The Grant Lodge 2862 EC founded 1901Duke of Connaught Lodge 2940 EC founded 1902The Nuwara Eliya Lodge 3629 EC founded 1903Kurunegala Lodge 3629 EC founded 1912There is also a Scottish lodge which meets in Colombo Lodge Bonnie Doon 611 SC founded 1877 I hope this information would be of some use. Yours fraternallyPushya Cooray, secretary Sphinx Lodge #107 ICWhat does this mean?It means we cannot definitively determine, at this time, whether Gardner was a regular Mason or not.His acquaintances in and around Highcliffe in Hampshire included a number of people who are suspected of having been Co-Masons, but whether he joined them or not, is not currently stated by any of his biographers.

MP, I don't disagree with you, not at all. The renreefce to Gardner is more the pop culture link to the modern practice, the one you described as the do what you want McWicca . In context to the Graham dialog, its impossible to know which practice she was describing (at the time I saw the program last night, it struck me as an Enocian magic with a lot of hybridization) but that was just from a quick viewing. Like so many lately realized devotees, the origin is scarcely the concern, from where, why, how did it become what we do today. More than likely the practice came from one of the more modern interpretations or re-writes of the past, and I don't think any one group is free of that affliction. Turning it to what we have today in Masonry, is the Preston/Webb rituals any more valid/invalid than what was practiced before? Or the frequently re-written Scottish Rite rituals? In part, I think validity comes from practice, which comes in time by doing: one form evolving to another. I am interested in your Gardner history however, and I think it would make for an interesting article for the site. given your extensive response, woudl you be at all interested in drafting something to publish here to extend the dialog beyond pop culture and into the main?